The “Islamic” Threat
Real or Imagined?

M. Asadi

Reproduced under in summary debate format, after several hours of argumentation with those that consider this “threat” real are reproduced the arguments of both sides. We will call the person I am debating with “A.S”, not to be confused with any A.S, real or imagined that you know. Other participants in the short debate are Darius,YZV and HM2, once again not to be confused with any Darius, YZV or HM2 that you might know, real or imagined. Masadi, represents my words

Debate Begins:

A.S : The Islam threat is real, the Islam threat is real! The world is in danger!

MAsadi : what threat? Sounds like unwarranted alarmism to me

A.S : Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

MAsadi: Not all terrorism is garbed with Islamic rhetoric, in fact a very small percentage of what can be described as terrorism is done by those labeled Muslim, or done in the name of Islam.

Darius: , you cannot call an ideology evil because of the tools used by people purporting to follow that ideology. People are the ones who are “evil” not ideas on their own. Ideas are benign.

A.S : We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world.

MAsadi : And what evil is it that you have seen? And what kind of random sampling have you done to decipher the effects of this “evil” on people.

A.S : Islam, and the Muslim mind is the evil effect of Islamic ideology. I used to be a Muslim and I know.

MAsadi : And how is that? Where is your random sample and scientific study about the Muslim mind? How many Muslims did you come in contact with when you were a Muslim out of the over one billion in the world? Can you form a non- stereotypical generalization based on such a non-random, non-representative sample and introspection alone?

A.S : Terrorism: In the front page of this site I have placed a dynamic link to thereligionofpeace.com As you can see every day there are more terrorist attacks somewhere in the world. Every day tens or hundreds of people are bombed, beheaded, killed and their bodies are torn into pieces by the followers of this “religion of peace”.

MAsadi : Those are not random samplings of either terrorism or what goes on in the “Muslim mind”. What about the “threat” posed by those that embark on wars on fake pretenses and lay whole countries to waste in the name of “freedom and democracy”?

A.S : those are really for freedom and democracy, it is no terrorism. The American leadership does it so it must be good.

MAsadi : Using your rhetoric, instead of tens or hundreds, tens or hundreds of thousand innocents are killed for “freedom and democracy”. Therefore whatever ideas are represented by “freedom and democracy” are evil.

A.S : that’s a cop out

MAsadi : How come? I’m using your logic of assigning labels of “evil” and “threat”. For example look at this scenario: the FBI estimates that around 19,000 Americans are murdered every year, not by Middle Eastern terrorists but by fellow Americans, so let’s talk about the “American as your neighbor threat” etc.

A.S : you want us to ignore the killings done by Muslims.

MAsadi : not at all, simply showing the world that you are deliberately confusing the causes of terrorism and thereby helping to perpetuate it. You are masking the true causes and hiding the mass killings by everyone that cannot fit under your hate label for Islam. You are therefore helping to keep the cycle of violence going and thereby benefit from a portion of it by supporting your hate agenda.

A.S : I don’t think this argument really needs any response. Basically what he is saying is: “close your eyes to Islamic terrorism and forget about it so we can continue killing you, bombing you and massacring your children.”

MAsadi : Not so, and masking its causes, like you are, while treating the symptoms of a small percent of global criminals will prevent those? Are you dumb?

A.S : I don’t want to argue with thugs and name callers.

MAsadi : Because you have been stumped?

A.S : The Islam threat is real! I don’t debate thugs.

MAsadi : And those that possess the greatest weapons of destruction the world has ever seen and have used them on innocents, they are the voice of peace?

A.S : cop out!

MAsadi : The “lynch-mob” mentality of alarmism, of Islamic ideology as a global threat, that was (and is) commonly portrayed in such writings, (as the “Sword of Islam” or “Islamic Threat” etc), is not at all justified: the number of terrorist acts committed by those who claim to be Muslims and in the “name of Islam” as a percentage of the total number of Muslims, even as a percentage of the total number of crimes committed in the world, are statistically insignificant as cause. The numbers of people harmed by such acts (of criminals) are also far less than the number that have been killed in the name of “democracy and freedom” and free markets: a look at the military adventures of the U.S. elite in the post World War 2 era should suffice as empirical evidence. Rhetoric of freedom has been abused to kill and maim, so has rhetoric borrowed from Islam, both represent abuse of sets of ideas that have no bearing in the purpose for which they were being used.

HM2: [MAsadi] Please don’t forget the Black Widows, blowing themselves up and one being pregnant. Bloodthirsty and Evil is Islam

MAsadi : Really and the mass murderers that are advertised on the US media at the rate of several a year, all non-Muslims like the Jeffrey Dahmers and (other) murderers whose crime is deeply intertwined with religious rhetoric, in frequency much greater than any suicide bombings done by “Muslims”, what religion or ideology do they condemn? Would you place a blanket condemnation on all Americans or all Christians because they happened to belong to their group? All you all can do, is take a few cases, spin your own interpretation on the causes of the events (without any scientific research) and then over generalize to the entire world population of Muslims and Islam- there is no logical or scientific connection to your conclusions.

YZV: read what this mullah said in Egypt of this one in Saudi Arabia or what this person did in the name of Allah

MAsadi : how many news stories of crimes that non-Muslims do every single day, for their multiple reasons, garbed in all kinds of religious rhetoric, do you want me to copy paste for you?
YZV: Here have a look at the timeline of Mr. Muhammad’s crimes!

MAsadi : Where are your witnesses about those alleged crimes? And what relation does the messenger’s morality have to do with the message that he was commissioned to convey, a message that proclaims separation between author and messenger?

YZV: Ghazali, Bukhari, Ibn ishaq….ibn Kathir…Mullah Nasruddin

MAsadi : None of them were witnesses, their reports in the earliest are removed over 200 years and you have not answered my second question.

YZV: Mr. Muhammad was …..

MAsadi : Can it. I have not asked for your psychiatric evaluation of the prophet or your judgment based upon no witnesses. The Quran states, if the prophet did anything wrong God will judge him, and we shouldn’t concern ourselves with what earlier generations that have passed away might have done or not done, their judgment is the domain of God alone.

YZV: here have a look at this news article about a follower of Mr. Muhammad. Here is another copy paste of the timeline of what Mr. Muhammad did

MAsadi : It is sad to note how disabled you have become in your ability to reason and decipher the truth. I pity your wasted lives, for all lives without the light of reason are, in my opinion, wasted. And you want to risk eternity based on such flimsy reasoning and absolutely zero credible proof?